Wonderland Use Of Treasury To Payback Investors

1. General Discussion
#19

this wouldn’t be fair to those who tried to salvage what they had left upon hearing the sifu news. is it unreasonable to withdraw after hearing news that the manager of a 1B treasury fund is actually a felon involved in multiple frauds? i personally believed in the project even after a 90% dip and would have kept holding to see what progress the team can make… that is, until today. i’m sure dani understands and feel somewhat guilty to those who left after hearing today’s news as well. if not, why would he propose the payback?

edit: responding to your point on people risking to buy wmemo now to receive payback; if the paybacks are actually happening, they’re not risking anything. they are essentially getting free money. the only risk they are taking is IF the paybacks are actually happening or not. thats the gamble they are taking. unrelated to the price of wmemo at all. because if paybacks are happening, wonderland is shut down.

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#20

You realize there’s both people in here saying ‘use the snapshot - people who sold deserve nothing’ (Timesplitter) and then you seem to be saying ‘use the snapshot - people who sold still deserve something’?

You see - that’s exactly what I’m talking about - you make it complicated and you’re going to get a million different ideas of what a snapshot should include, when it should be, who it should include or exclude.

We already have a blockchain - we already have a token that can prove ownership - keep it simple - turn in the token, you get your share of the treasury (about 40-50k per wmemo). You make that clear and our price will go up to near that right now - quickly. You muddy the waters, propose a million different things that would be very complicated and take weeks to implement and all you are doing is making the price go down for everybody.

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#21

Exactly this. This is why I want to include recent sellers too.

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#22

Couldn’t you take the MIM you got and buy back in right now then? You would lose some if you sold at a lower price, but then this is pretty much an expected thing - you sell and it goes up you lose out, you sell and it goes down more you ended up saving money - there’s no ‘oops, I wish I hadn’t done that, I deserve a refund’ in crypto.

If you buy back in right now and it gets approved to trade each wmemo for 40-50k MIM you’d at least make back some money right? Unless you want to not take on the risk of wmemo going down from here, keep your money safe, but still get a return?

#23

Why weren’t we presented with the option to turn the token in at treasury value (remove trading pairs against arbi) during the SIFU vote were it was clearly communicated that all price control was disabled?

If a restart is even an option, the only way forward is the most trusthworthy & honorable.

Use the bsgg snap.

#24

Well, I can tell you this - keep muddying the waters with talk of snapshots and ‘let’s do this’ ‘no let’s do that’ ‘no, lets include this group, but not that group’ ‘no, include that group, not this group’ etc, and watch the price tank more.

Make things clear, take away uncertainly, keep it simple - something that can be done without people being told ‘wait, real soon, we’ll figure it all out’ for weeks - something like 'here’s a contract, you turn in 1 wmemo you get 50k MIM, and watch the price rocket up to near that amount.

#25

IF they really are paying back ONLY to current wmemo holders, i’m definitely buying, but that is not certain. if i buy in right now, i’m gambling between payback vs. continuing with different fund manager. and i certainly want payback instead. i’m not buying anymore if the latter will take place. is this reasonable?

#26

So it’s exactly what I said then? You don’t want to have your money at risk, you sold to protect what you have, but if price goes up you want a return from that - just without risking losing it by buying back in right now. Problem is that is crypto - you don’t get gains if you don’t risk something. It isn’t a simple matter of ‘let’s vote that if it goes up I get some, but if it goes down I’ve luckily sold and am in stables’. Someone else out there IS putting their money at risk by providing the liquidity (eg buying right now) for people who want to sell, and shouldn’t they deserve a return for taking on that risk?

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#27

:100: I like and agree with this proposal.

#28

If you really want to do this based on merit, payback everyone STILL IN the project first, then you can consider payback for people who panic sold. I haven’t moved a penny of my initial investment. People who have stuck through for the entirety should be prioritized over those that sold.

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#29

imo, at this point, its not about rewarding holders who still believe in this project even after this news, but being responsible, owning up to their mistakes and fixing the damages they have done by reimbursing ALL those who are affected. you, me, and everyone else involved.

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#30

i get where you’re coming from, but rewarding those who stuck out and reimbursing those who are affected are two different things. i think the treasury should still be distributed evenly even to those who sold after today’s news. reward for folks who stuck out should be unrelated to treasury and come out of the team’s personal pockets.

#31

It needs trust, but it will never get it without structure between the devs and the community. I posted in general ,<Structure + Communication>, how to set it up starting today and I would start now if everyone agreed. Its not ok to have the gap in understanding and direction this wide without providing the correct pathways between devs and community to really solve the concerns and provide assurance to the direction with true education on how the money is being utilized and why it works.

#32

Agree,
wMemo represent a share of the treasury, if someone sold it he sold that share too. He cashed out… So if he want a compensation, he should buy back since the price is much lower now.

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#33

Non sense, who sold is actually causing the price to go down, who buys is helping it to not go to 0.
Once is decided, if it passes, trading should be stopped (kill the liquidity pools) and then offer to exchange whatever WMEMO you have for the value that is calculated based on the treasury / circulating supply.

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#34

Let’s look at how hard this would be to actually do with just say 4 people, now imagine doing it with thousands of chain transactions across multiple chains and thousands upon thousands of addresses:

Let’s say the treasury had 5 million dollars.
Person A has 1 wmemo he minted at 100k, sold at 50k, rebought at 40k.
Person B has 1 wmemo he bought at 60k and still holds.
Person C had 1 wmemo he bought at 40k and panic sold at 20k.
Person D has 0.1 wmemo he bought for $4k and still holds.

How would you both calculate how much of the treasury each one is entitled to AND do it in an automated way that can calculate all that across multiple chains, including people entering/exiting LP pairs, including people who used TJ, Sushi, Spirit, Thorus, Impermax, and numerous other unknown contracts that might be out there? Including tracking if they transferred wmemo from one of their wallets to another. Or are you saying just to take the treasury and split it evenly among them with no regard to the fact that person A both contributed the most to the treasury and lost the most? With no regard for the fact that doing so would give person D more back than they ever put at risk?

Snapshots have their good uses, but they simply can’t be reasonable used as a means of determining how much somebody should get because they are quite literally a snapshot - they don’t calculate who bought what and for how much a block before, or a block after, or 2 weeks before, or 2 weeks after, etc. It would be insanely complicated to try to create a system to sort through all that and calculate it, and be very prone to missing people all over the place who interacted with contracts unknown to the person writing the contract.

#35

BTW people is now panicking and selling below treasury because of fears(most likely the same that had FOMO at 10X treasury value).
If a proposal passes to liquidate treasury most likely price would get up to backing price as many would arbitrage that and the people that sold out of fear will take the loss.
Unfair? It’s just how the market works, no way to get all rich quick. That’s why people should understand what they do before trowing money wherever…

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#36

Just wish that taking Omar out and using what’s left to grow can actually work out in the end but who knows now.

#37

If we sell at treasury backing, that does not reward holders who have held for months.

What you are not factoring in is that whales have been sidestepping. Selling high, buying low. And recently, selling low to create liquidation cascades so they can buy below backing.

The solution is ve(3,3). Loyalty has to be rewarded. It’s all on chain. If someone has held for months, that loyalty should be factored into their returns, compensatory or otherwise. I actually hope for a revenue share model because it’s the only way to break even. But it has to be with locked staking.

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#38

yes, creating a “redeem” contract should not be difficult. After liquidating all asset in treasury, the contract will just swap the wMemo at a fixed price (backing price).
Btw I think the best solution is to give all treasury back, then restart a new project if people want.

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